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Tired of America being controlled by both parties? by RampageMeerkat566 Tired of America being controlled by both parties? by RampageMeerkat566
Think about it, democrats and republicans are both sold out political parties that people no longer seem to trust anymore, there bought off by big corporations that want to ruin our country and fuck us over. Well why not make 50 states independent so we can no longer be controlled by both parties.
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:iconyokeldayankee:
Yokeldayankee Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017
A Commonwealth system (chunks of states) may work better than splitting all 50 states into independent countries. Just saying...
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2017
Alright.
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Yokeldayankee Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2017
Overall, it would be better for trade. You also have the added benefit of maintaining productivity in a whole region under the same regulations as opposed to 50 different codes. Besides, states like Wyoming, Mississippi, and Vermont would probably fail to maintain their own sovereignty due to a lack of population, resources, or productivity.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2017
Huh.. I see.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2017
I guess.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2017
Maybe... :l
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Bastius6078DA Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Time for Monarchy I guess
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
Lol.
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kessy-athena Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
At which point you'll have 50 countries run by the Democrats and/or Republicans.  And in my experience state governments are typically much more corrupt and insulated from the voters and much less competent and efficient than the federal government.  I really don't see that as an improvement.

I'd suggest that it'd be more productive to think about what specifically the Democrats and Republicans do that you don't like, why and how they do it, and what sort of system would get them to do something more to your liking.  so, for example, if you think that the parties are influenced by big business too much, then ask yourself why and how that influence works.  Businesses primarily care about things the government does that directly impacts them, so they're going to care mostly about things like taxes, regulation, and trade, and not so much about things like social issues or the proliferation of nuclear weapons.  As for the how, the biggest way they influence politicians is through campaign donations, and to a lesser degree business's ability to influence public opinion through things like advertising.  So if the big thing you care about is corporate influence, the problem really isn't the parties but the campaign finance system.

If you want to treat the disease, you first have to make sure you've got a good diagnosis.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
I 100% agree...
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Der-Himmelstern Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
The USA could use a Führer.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
Fuhrer?
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Der-Himmelstern Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
A great leader of the people by the people,
without the use of corrupt hierarchies.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
Oh.
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kessy-athena Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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achthenuts Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Or just make another new party.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Any thoughts?
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achthenuts Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Ok.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Well technically they are independent. The problem seems to exist with more of a mentality but this is not unusual. Most political landscapes have two major parties that always dominate with a third getting in sometimes.
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kessy-athena Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's not the mentality, it's the voting system.  All first past the post voting systems inevitably tend toward a two party system - it's inherent in the structure.  The only way to get a stable multiparty system is to have ranked voting or proportional representation or something like that.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Even even I am highly skeptical since most countries seem to default to main parties anyway. Germany has mostly been ruled by the CDU with the social democrats. England between Labour and the Tories. It seems even with a so called multi-party system it just defaults to main parties again. Honestly I'm not in favor of parties to begin with.
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kessy-athena Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not real familiar with German politics, but the UK uses first past the post voting the same as the US.  It's rather miraculous that the Lib Dems have survived at all.

I don't like parties either, but they seem to be something of a necessary evil.  Or at the very least an inevitable evil.  Like I was saying to Meerkat, I think it's better to focus on the problems caused by parties rather than the parties themselves, and think about how to change the system to minimize the problems.  I see the main problem with parties as being excessive partisanship, and I think that ranked voting could help with that a lot.  Even if the two main parties continued to dominate I think that having significant numbers of people voting for the Libertarians or the Greens or whoever before they push the button for R or D should help to reduce the us vs them mentality and make people more open to working across party lines.  I think that if coalition building were explicitly part of the process of governing - even if only a small part - it would help change the political culture.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Ok.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I was hoping for more discussion but I guess you have to get back to gassing Elthibar. 
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
=P (Razz) Yus.
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
If you make all the states independent, then America doesn't exist anymore.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Is my idea that bad?
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
An independent state would mean each state is its own country.
So the United States wouldn't exist if the states were all independent.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Well... Shit...
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
You probably should've worded it differently.
"The United States should be independent from political parties" is what you should've said.
That would mean that the U.S would not be influenced by parties and anyone who ran would have a chance at getting elected.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
Yeah...
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
:3
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Well...

"For the contributors to this book, secession is not an issue confined to the past. They regard it as an essential remedy for the ills of today's overly large America. In this connection it is interesting to note that secession had the backing of the renowned American diplomat and historian George Kennan, who, in a manner that would have delighted Thomas Jefferson, called for America to be broken up into a number of regional commonwealths. "To begin the debate, and without being dogmatic, Kennan suggests that the Union could be divided into 'a dozen constituent republics'" (pp. 21–22).

Rethinking the American Union for the Twenty-First Century repays careful study by anyone interested in political philosophy or in American history. In their bold defiance of contemporary orthodoxy, the contributors deserve great praise."
mises.org/library/rethinking-a…

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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
So technically it is?...
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
The American Union is too big, too out of scale, with too much concentrated power in DC.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
So is it a good thing or a bad thing?
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Centurion030 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
It's bad, unless you love an all-powerful state.
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Ok.
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thedevilgaming2 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
So technically no president?
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
No not really...
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thedevilgaming2 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
So that means maybe many problems
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
I hope not...
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thedevilgaming2 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Ya
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RampageMeerkat566 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Indeed.
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